Feb 21 2014

5-on-5: Was It Worth the Wait?

1. Was it worth the wait?

Gus Crawford: Up until 2:59PM EST? No, not really. Flipping Hawes for a pair of second rounders and unguaranteed cap fodder was “meh,” on the excitement scale, yet Hinkie upped the intrigue ante with the last second Turner-Granger deal. Have to be relieved that Turner was finally exorcised from the Sixers’ scene, and extracting any future value for him is a plus. Sources say I’m satisfied with this deadline day.

Eric Goldwein: Sorta. I don’t think there ever was much of a market for Turner/Hawes, but I suspect at some point they were offered something better than a 60th overall pick for Turner. The waiting game didn’t pan out. The next time it might.

Kyle Neubeck: Absolutely. Three of the team’s most annoying players got shipped out, Sam Hinkie is swimming in picks like Scrooge McDuck in a pile of gold coins, and the Sixers have set the tank for maximum overdrive. They may not have acquired the firsts rumored to be floating out there, but they have oodles of cap space and flexibility, which I’m thrilled to see Hinkie use going forward.

Wesley Share: Hell yes. Hinkie waited until we let our guard down, then pounced. He is the king. Also, not sure the Sixers win even three more games this season.

Tom Sunnergren: I’m underwhelmed. I’m comfortable with the two seconds we got for Hawes and more than comfortable with the two seconds we got for nothing, but I’m sort of puzzled by the Evan Turner deal. It felt less like a shrewd triumph for Hinkie and more like “well, the lights are coming on, better go home with someone” desperation play. And don’t get me started on Byron Mullens.

2. Where were you when Evan Turner was traded?

Crawford:  Getting my French-Canadian on in the streets of Vieux Québec (Old Québec City). The news brought a smile to my dial. Seems ironic that it came shortly after I learned that the dreaded “polar vortex” may return to this part of the world in the next seven days, given that Turner was quite the offensive polar vortex himself in his (mostly) unspectacular stint in Philadelphia.

Goldwein: Refreshing TweetDeck, even though TweetDeck refreshes automatically. No news is never good news on NBA trade day, so after 3pm I was more than a little concerned that Hinkie was holding on to Turner to spite the GMs that were offering crap. The #Wojbomb was a major relief.

Neubeck: I was glued to my computer screen for most of the late afternoon, just waiting for the inevitable #WojBombs. I laughed, I cried, I laughed again. Does it ever get old watching our GM fleecing other teams?

Share: I knew that there had to be something more coming with 17 guys on the roster, and as I walked into McDonalds, it happened. I was drowning in overwhelming bliss.

Sunnergren: Handcuffed to my desk, trying, with mixed success, to follow NBA deadline happenings while I, like Sisyphus, ground toward another in an unending series of much less interesting deadlines at my day job. Being an adult, by the way, is pain. Unrelenting pain.

3. What the hell will they do with all these second-round picks?

Crawford:  I suspect it will result in a potpourri of Draft Night swaps and manoeuvrings. It reminds me of Houston owning three picks in the 10-20 range in the 2012 Draft (Sam Hinkie, anyone?), and the ongoing uncertainty as to whether they’d be able to package them for something more significant. Could be a neat way for the Sixers to move into the late-first round by helping teams who want to avoid guaranteed salary (and the tax).

Goldwein: I used to manage a sports franchise. Okay, a Madden NFL franchise. Before each season, I’d go into the free agency pool, sign the best ones, and trade them for shitty draft picks. Usually I’d end up with a bunch of fourth-rounders, which generally amount to nothing. But, being the savvy GM that I was, I’d turn the fourth-rounders into third-rounders, then the third-rounders into second-rounders, then the second-rounders into first rounders. It was free money. Hinkie, I suspect, has some sort of consolidation plan in place. Pick up a bunch of scraps and turn them into gold. 

Neubeck: Since attendance is set to drop even more, it’s time for a giveaway night! All fans two and under get a complimentary second-round pick to take home with them. But in all seriousness, they’re just more bullets in the chamber for Hinkie – can very easily be flipped to trade back into the first round, or perhaps combined with a bigger package (Thad? Pels pick?) that nets them another big talent.

Share: Use two or three to get back into the late first round. Then, package that late first with Thad and the Pellies pick for a second top five pick. Boom. MCW-Wiggins-Jabari-(TBD)-Noel, anyone?

Sunnergren: Package them for a first round pick, then package that with something else for a superstar. That, or use them to scoop up a few high-upside/financially-riskless young guys and hope you find a Chandler Parsons. Second round picks aren’t that sexy, but I love them anyway. They’re a lot like Sam Hinkie in that sense.

4. Spencer Hawes is a free agent in the offseason … any interest?

Crawford: A little… I mean no, none. Wait, maybe? No. If he were limited to a short-term, favourable deal, he has value. Alas, it was a fun voyage, but that ship has sailed.

Goldwein: For the right price. (Which won’t happen). Hawes, at his best, is a fantastic offensive player and a poor but hideable defender. That’s a valuable player for a contender (or a team like the Cavs that thinks itself a contender), but it’s not someone that a rebuilding team should sign in free agency.

Neubeck: Hahahahaha…. oh wait, you’re serious? No, I’m excited for him to live in the American heartland where he can mingle with more people who share his political views and continue to play bad defense. There’s some justice in the world after all – instead of moving to a contender, the guy who Zach Lowe said turned in, “a masterpiece of not giving a fuck” in his last game for the Sixers gets to play for a team who will be lucky if they earn the right to get slaughtered in round one. Good riddance.

Share: ……Next question.

Sunnergren: Not at the price I expect he’ll fetch–which isn’t to say he’ll be an eight-figure a year guy or anything–but I wouldn’t mind having old Hawes around. He’s got warts, but seven-foot tall dudes who can knock down 3-pointers like two-guards are nice to have around, even when they’re named “Spencer Hawes.”

5. What’s the first track on your Evan Turner CD mix?

Crawford: Lionel Richie – Hello

Goldwein: Biz Markie – Just a Friend. (Because of the “I started throwin’ bass she started throwin’ back mid-range”)

Neubeck: Usher – U Don’t Have To Call


Yeah, don’t.


  • robbybonfire23

    Mr. Hinkie is the all-time “tanking genius,” I do believe. Never seen such grotesque statistical sludge acquired in one day, or in one decade. Eric Maynor = arguably the ~worst~ player in the history of the NBA. Here’s my regression score and PPX breakdown for those just departed and those just arrived. (Think of PPX as being akin to a baseball batting average, because the correlation is really strong.)

    Regression Score – PPX (total points / missed floor shots)

    S. Hawes) 453 – 2.14
    E. Turner) 326 – 1.98

    L. Allen) 409 – 1.77

    B. Mullins) 315 – 1.76
    Earl Clark) 279 – 1.56
    E. Maynor) 259 – 1.02 (?)

    T. Wroten) 293 – 1.93
    L.James) 602 – 3.70

  • tk76

    Nothing says ET like Cher.

    Seriously though, thank you Sam Hinkie for flushing this roster (and leaving Thad- who everybody loves.) Of all of the players gone from 2 years ago, Jrue is the only one I miss watching- and his trade was the necessary catalyst for their rapid rebuild. I still root for several former Sixers to find success (Iggy, Lou, EB and even Sammy) but glad they are one other teams and that the Sixers finally are making the complete reset that has been overdue since the Iverson trade 10 years ago.

    • robbybonfire23

      I will lament the Vucevik “fire sale” for a long time. Tony DiLeo meets Billy King, on that one.

      • Wesley Share

        Traded for a superstar. Didn’t work out. Sucks to watch him succeed (to an extent) elsewhere, but gotta get over it. It was a ballsy move and it was the right move, just didn’t yield tangible results. Without that move, we might not even be where we are now (new coach, new GM, new direction).

        • robbybonfire23

          Good topic for discussion, if not debate, and that is whether buying into damaged goods is “ballsy” or just plain stupid. Could be interpreted either way, but my lament in all this is why arrangements were not locked-in for significant compensation from the Lakers, should the acquired player not measure up re the physical ability to perform?

          Many trades in sports history have been nullified because of an acquired player’s failing the physical examination with his new team. To me, the failure of Tony Di Leo to attend to this important detail is as egregious as his shredding the roster of talent to bring in a pig in a poke, mentally and physically. Did the Lakers see Tony Di Leo coming? Sure looks like they plucked his feathers.

          • Wesley Share

            Bynum was looked at by multiple doctors upon being acquired and played 80 games the previous year as arguably the second-best post-player in the league. Don’t blame DiLeo for making a “splash” move at all, sort of feel bad that he took the fall for it actually.

          • robbybonfire23

            I believe I am correct in saying that Bynum’s below par physical condition was a know entity, at the time of the trade. If that is the case, how could Di Leo not CYA his extremely vulnerable position, which cost him his job, as it turned out?

            And we agree, Bynum was the second-best player in the league, so why would the Lakers put him on the trade market, when it would seem they would want to build a championship aggregation around him?

          • Wesley Share

            Because they wanted Dwight Howard – an even better center – to build around.

          • robbybonfire23

            If Bynum was “the second-best player in the NBA,” why would the Lakers want to build around Howard, which of course, they didn’t do, either? Just a rhetorical question not requiring an answer. The Lakers are out to lunch except when they are dealing with us, of course.

            Re-signing a burned-out, often injured, and over-priced Kobe, bringing in “Ole Man River” Mr. Nash, and giving starter minutes to some Meeks guy, is all anyone needs to know about them.

            Hey, it just occurred to me, Jody Meeks is you NBA preview of what some extremely unlucky team is going to get in Andrew Wiggins. WHOA! (You heard it here, first, need I say. LOL.)