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Jan 17 2014

Sorting Through Sixers Trade Rumors

Surprised the Sixers haven’t dipped their toes into the trade water yet? Afraid Sam Hinkie will stay put through the Feb. 20 deadline, like he did in free agency last summer?

Never fear, Philly faithful. Based on a few recent reports, things could soon start heating up in the City of Brotherly Love.

The first comes from Grantland’s Zach Lowe, who dropped a few Sixers-related nuggets on Wednesday that should pique the interest of anyone whose stomach is strong enough to still be following this team. According to Lowe, the Sixers have “amped up their feelers on Thaddeus Young in the last week, per several league sources, and other execs view it as a lock that Evan Turner will be on the block—if he isn’t already.”

Lowe wasn’t the only ESPN’er to wax philosophical on the Sixers’ trade prospects this week. In a SportsNation chat on Wednesday, NBA draft expert Chad Ford explained why Hinkie hasn’t already pulled the trigger on a trade for Young, Turner or Spencer Hawes:

“Unfortunately for the Sixers, most teams don’t make their best offers in January. Usually those don’t come until the week of the trade deadline. So while there is clearly an incentive to trade now to lose more games, if Hinkie waits, he probably gets more value in a month than he does now. Besides, the Sixers still have the third best shot of winning the lottery with those guys. It’s not like they are playing themselves out of a contention for a Top 3 pick.”

Wednesday night’s result notwithstanding, Ford’s analysis should assuage many concerns about the Sixers’ relative inactivity thus far. Hinkie hasn’t necessarily committed to keeping all three; he’s just waiting to strike until the iron is hottest.

The final report comes from Liberty Ballers’ Jake Pavorsky, who reported yesterday morning that the Sixers may be pushing a Hawes-Turner package deal. A few teams have reportedly shown at least some interest, per Pavorsky’s sources,  but “no deal is close to imminent.”

Long story short: Just because the Sixers are not (reportedly) on the precipice of a deal doesn’t mean that none are in the works. Hinkie, I suspect, is working like a madman behind the scenes, so have a little patience.

(Also, if Hinkie can get a big return on a Hawes-Turner package, he’s more of a diabolical genius than we imagined).

  • robbybonfire23

    What to do with Hawes will be better clarified when this team finds out what it’s got in Noel.

    • Wesley Share

      Highly doubt decisions on Noel and Hawes will be related at all. Hawes is expiring after this season and the team will almost definitely let him walk considering the money he’ll command on the open market this year. Trying to get value for him now before he walks.

      I’ve also been told Noel’s not going anywhere. He’s their guy moving forward, regardless of Hawes.

      Plus, on they off chance that they decide to keep Hawes, they’d probably play him at the 4 next to Noel anyway.

      • robbybonfire23

        Yes, o.k. with Hawes taking a walk. Where do you see the Noel – Dedmon strategy, two starters, or one starter and one back-up?

        • Wesley Share

          He’s been impressive and Brown loves him. I’m sure he’ll get two more 10-day deals and then get locked up for the rest of the year. But it’s likely the Sixers draft a four, and that player would likely start immediately. So, don’t see that “strategy” coming to fruition. Further, not sure I even see Dedmon as a rotatonal guy next year, especially if Moultrie is back.

  • robbybonfire23

    If, at best, Dedmon represents back-up depth, few other teams figure to have the much quality up front, belatedly entering the game.

    • Wesley Share

      Eh, I agree it’d be impressive defensive depth, but with Noel and Dedmon, few teams figure to have that little offensive quality up front as well. Have to think they’ll look for offensively able bigs this offseason, especially if Hawes walks and Dedmon is back.

  • robbybonfire23

    I’m with you on Moultrie and hope he comes back, soon.

  • robbybonfire23

    It would be a critical mistake, not to, initially, give Noel major offensive responsibility, given his 55 1/2 per cent shooting percentage over 16 games in college, last year. People look at his point totals and conclude he is no offensive threat.

    Yet, people are mesmerized by A.I’s point totals but ignore his low career (.425) shooting percentage and the fact that he took so many shots every game, he beat his own team, so to speak, more often that not, by taking the ball out of the hands of more accurate shooters.

    Other HOF shooting percentage career numbers include: John Stockton .515; Michael Jordan .497; Oscar Robertson .485; Jerry West .474; Magic Johnson .466; and Kobe Bryant, whom this organization didn’t want because A.I. was on the board, .454. That crass error in judgment, taking the ball hog over the basketball player, of course, cost this team the 2000 NBA title.

    A.I. was a brick, by comparison with the best who ever played the game. And remember, every time a guard misses a shot, he has taken himself out of a potential assist, and his team out of all chance of scoring on that possession. (And please don’t lecture me about the “value” of offensive rebounds. The more offensive rebounds a team garners, the higher the percentage chance it will lose the game. A low shooting percentage from the floor correlates with losing, not with winning.)

    Noel has a shot at becoming something special – unless this team makes him into a one-dimensional “role player,” which is very much in play.

    • Wesley Share

      Well, Noel was able to score (minimally, nonetheless) in college because no one was athletic enough or strong enough to stop someone as quick as him. In the NBA game, he’ll get bullied around early on for sure. He’s up to 228 lbs., but it’ll be a while before he can body up any NBA centers.

      I’d take his college FG% with a grain of salt.

  • robbybonfire23

    I doubt we need another Manute Bol “Toothpick”-type, all height, minimal skill center. And where have you gone Shawn Bradley? Well, they better bulk Noel up and get the ball inside to him, often enough, or the opposition D will just clamp down on the rest of of our offense, five on four. They had better bulk this guy up, and feed him the ball inside, or we will never be getting past teams with powerful centers who play an all-around game, come playoff time.

    If the plan is to “one-dimensional” or “role play” Noel’s contribution, the blueprint to win an NBA title is going to be on hold during his entire tenure here. I don’t see this team having a choice – you bulk him up and see what he brings to the table in terms of FG percentage, or you consign yourself to “just making the playoffs,” every year.

    Looking to build a .550 team and “get hot” come playoff time in a run to the title is a fantasy delusion far too many G.M.’s in all sports suffer from. Hopefully our new regime at the top here has broader and higher vision than that, but if MCW’s early career shooting myopia is any indication, we are possibly going to be saddled with TWO inadequate starters, one with a chronically-low FG percentage from outside, a.k.a. Allen Iverson, redux, and one who can score inside, but who sees the ball about six times per game (See: DeAndre Jordan – career 64% shooter who gets an average of SIX shots per game. Right! And this is a bulked-up center, too. Just brilliant of the Clippers to relegate themselves to being the 10th-best team in the league, instead of top-3. We in Philadelphia need to replicate this idiocy?) Skinny, successful Bill Russell types are done, in so far as domination of the sport, in this day and age of muscle plus agility plus all-around ability earning the glory.

    I don’t like the way all of this is shaking down. Noel and MCW are nothing more, nothing less than a test of how ~intelligent~ this organization is, best demonstrated by how a team deploys the talent-base on hand. They ask one of them for too much, while relegating the other to too little responsibility, they can pack it in, right now.

    • Wesley Share

      This whole rebuilding process is built around the idea of avoiding being the fringe playoff team that sneaks into the playoffs each year and is sent packing after the first round – the .550 team you just described. Nothing to worry about.

      • robbybonfire23

        That is encouraging, Wesley. The goal should be to to dominate the East and seriously compete with the best teams the West has to offer, both in-season and post-season. When this happens, the attendance figures will take care of themselves.

        Boston looks dangerous, long-term, with their vision beyond next Tuesday, unlike the Nets, who can’t get out of their own G.M’s way, so we’re getting some help, there.

        • Wesley Share

          Ha, yeah, the Knicks are a mess, but they’re an attractive destination (for some reason) and they’re always in a play for a big time player in FA.

          Celtics should trade Rondo for picks/young guys IMO (Greg Monroe, perhaps) and tank it out.

          I’ve never been worried about attendance and those obscure “ills of tanking”. Fans care about wins, and that’s about it. If Hinkie and Co., build a winning team here, fans will fill the stands and that’ll take care of that.