Dec 19 2013

Report: Thaddeus Young Wants Out


Liberty Ballers’ Jake Fischer is reporting that a few weeks ago, Thad Young submitted a formal trade request to Sam Hinkie and Sixers management.

From the Liberty Ballers report:

“Thad is ready to leave Philly,” the source said. “He isn’t with the whole tanking thing.” The Sixers are currently last in the Atlantic Division at 7-19.

When [Young’s agent, Jim Tanner] informed Young that the Rockets had called about the tweener forward, Young grew excited about the opportunity to leave the Sixers, though he’s loved his time here. The chance to play for a contender with legitimate championship aspirations is too enticing.

“Thad is kind of anxious,” the source said Wednesday afternoon while Asik talks were still ongoing. “He just wants them to
do the trade if they are. He hates waiting. [Playing for a contender] would be great because the Sixers definitely aren’t making the playoffs this year.”

Philadelphia 76ers v Miami HeatThad had voiced some disdain to reporters after another blowout loss to the Brooklyn Nets, and admitted that he’s been frustrated lately. “(We have) a lot of first- and second-year guys”, he noted. “And when you’re dealing with those types of (players), like I said, the frustration level does get up there because you’re not used to it. I’m used to playing with guys who are four- or five-year veterans in this league and they can play. And then you have one- or two-year guys who are fresh and trying to make a name for themselves.”

The Sixers selected Young out of Georgia Tech with the 12th overall pick in the 2007 NBA draft. He’s been with the team for seven seasons and is currently playing under his fifth different coach.

My take: It’s understandable that Thad doesn’t want to waste away some of his best basketball on a rebuilding team. I’m surehis request will be granted before the Feb. 20 deadline — not necessarily because he wants out, but because the Sixers wanted to deal him anyways. This reported request shouldn’t change the Sixers’ plans, though it may damage his trade value.

Speculation: Sending Thad to a contender1 would make sense for all parties. Not only did Thad request to go to a winning club, but the top-tier teams may be less hesitant to cough up their future first-rounder. Houston, San Antonio and OKC are among the 14 teams eligible to trade away a 2014 first-round pick. Just sayin’.

1. As noted in Fischer’s report, Houston had called the Sixers regarding Thad before closing the Asik trade talks this afternoon. 

  • robbybonfire23

    Young is having a cruddy season, when, at 25, he should be waxing, not waning. Hope the team can accommodate him.

    • Wesley Share

      Hasn’t been “cruddy”, putting up solid counting stats cause Brown’s system inflates numbers. Averaging 16-6. Dude deserves to play for a winning team. Put in seven plus years of heart and hustle and played for five coaches already. No one on this team deserves to compete for a title more than he does.

  • robbybonfire23

    16-6 is not exactly “Lebron Country.” Maybe instead of “cruddy” we can agree upon “mediocre,” as the operative adjective. Or maybe not. Depends upon whether one is a “fan” or an objective analyst.

    • Wesley Share

      Of course it’s not “LeBron country”. But he certainly has trade value. Sixers could definitely draw a return of something like a first rounder and a prospect with upside.

  • robbybonfire23

    And pardon my cynicism, but do today’s athletes really “compete for titles” or is their primary focus upon padding their numbers to obtain the next long-term contract? Seems to me that many of these boys are in it for the money, that’s why they shop their wares to the highest bidder, rather than demonstrate loyalty to their original organization.

    And going public with one’s discontent, such as we have here, is further indication that the basic loyalty is to the best contract available, rendering Young a “Clubhouse cancer” until he is dispatched to his new employer. As for the “deserving to go to a contender” part, if a player is perceived as “the last piece in a championship puzzle,” he will get a much better deal than were he to remain with his also-ran organization. Young is on the big bucks trail, and screw winning The Dinner Bell or whatever they call it in the NBA. If the money is better in Salt Lake City, Young will be right up there with his cousin Brigham.

    Love the line from the film “Wall Street;” – “It’s all about bucks, kid, everything else is just conversation.” Thad Young meet Gordon Gekko.

    • JulianW

      I guess that’s why Dwight Howard took the max contract to remain with the Lakers. Oh wait…no he didn’t. Well at least Kevin Durant took market value and signed a max level contract with his team. Wait a second…he didn’t do that either, but instead took a deal to remain with his contender. But obviously Lebron, being the most marketable athlete in the NBA, took the max available contract to remain with the Cavs. Nope, he didn’t do that either. So there’s three examples of athletes taking less money for a chance at a championship. What else ya got, Robby?

      • robbybonfire23

        A lot, you are simply – emphasis upon “simply,” talking the over the table deal as your frame of reference. You are not talking bonuses and incentives, you are not talking tax considerations, you are not talking length of contract and contract terms – all you are talking is the “fandom” line the media spoon fed you, which you bought into because you lack the sophistication to understand how business and contracts are negotiated and really work.

        And by the way, Miami lured Lebron away from Cleveland with a lot more incentives beyond straight contract considerations – than Cleveland could ante to keep him, starting with – do you want to call the dingy, blizzard locale of Cleveland your home, or do you want to call Miami Beach your home and head out to Gulfstream Park on offdays, to be seen in public and chase a few winners home at the pari-mutuel windows?

        Good luck to you, with your sophomoric approach to comprehending the culture and the society you are merely a peripheral participant in. A successful businessman you obviously are not. And check out Rodney Dangerfield’s “Back To School” movie. You are the bookish college professor trying to “sell” his elementary view of the business world tenets to a bunch of overgrown kids who will soon enough be out there in the real world, far surpassing your limited textbook understanding of life, business, and human nature.

        • JulianW

          Whoa, you mad Robby?

          Maybe Lebron was enticed by the things you said, maybe not. Still doesn’t answer why Durant signed a relatively team-friendly deal to stay in small-market OKC. Still doesn’t answer why Dwight left the second biggest money market in LA for Houston while taking less contract money at the same time.

          Could it be that Durant figured that his best chance at a championship was to remain with the Thunder while they build around him? Or did he take a cynical approach like you suggest and figure, “Hey, I think that I’ll get the most media exposure in Oklahoma City! Yea! And OKC is such a better place to live in than New York or LA or Chicago!”

          It’s convenient how you focused exclusively on Lebron and failed to address Howard’s or Duran’t situations. And if you want to say that the contracts have hidden incentives or bonuses in there not apparent to most people, you’re going to have to come up with some citations to back that up. Otherwise you are making an unjustifiable claim that only serves to further your agenda here.

        • hk99


          JulianW’s point was that LeBron took less money in exchange for a better chance at a title (or multiple titles). Once we establish that LeBron was going to Miami, Cleveland and all other cities become irrelevant and the comparison becomes Miami for the max or Miami for a lower salary. Therefore, JulianW’s point still stands…that LeBron took LESS MONEY so that the Heat could also sign Bosh and keep Wade and enhance LeBron’s chances at a title. In other words, LeBron put improving his chances at winning a championship ahead of making every possible dollar.

          The LeBron scenario also flies in the face of your theory on agents because if as you suggest, LeBron’s agent had autonomy in making the decision and money was the agent’s only incentive, he would have decided to get the maximum money for LeBron. Since agents often do not get a piece of all of the extracurricular income that players get – at least for those players who also have managers or posses serving as their management teams – if your theory held, LeBron’s agent would have re-upped him with Cleveland or at least insisted on the max from Miami.

  • robbybonfire23

    Dump him and see what Orton and Davies can come up with, with added playing time. Everybody on this bench can’t be a stiff.

  • robbybonfire23

    Re ~other~ FA signings and contract extensions and renewals with original teams, in OKC or wherever, you overlook a factor here which will never go away. And that is that this is the age of player agents calling the shots. From baseball’s Scott Boras – the human predator, to the rest of that blood-sucking crowd, it is THEY who control these decisions. The players have little or no say in the matter of where they land, and what contract conditions they agree to. In fact, they bestow autonomy in these matters upon their agents when they sign the contract to allow the agent to represent them.

    AGAIN, you refuse to acknowledge that all business deals are negotiated in private, and most of the conditions agreed upon, are hidden from Uncle Sam, the media, and the public, which gets the public relations tidbits, and no more.

    Please do better than to accept every situation in life and in the business world at face value, as though the world runs on honesty, fairness, and integrity. The world runs on B.S. and you could do better than to be “The Schmuck” who buys into all the crap that gets down to the public consumption level.

    • Kevin

      All players have a choice where they want to play to a certain extent. It comes down to variables such as team needs, cap space, philosophies, player abilities, etc. as to which teams are interested in which players. You seem to have a view that today’s athlete has an “all about me” view on their profession, and in many cases I agree. That being said, If that is their viewpoint, does it make sense that they would accept just being sent wherever and have no say in that? This may apply to bottom tier players, players just praying for a roster spot somewhere, but any player that can contribute on a nightly basis has some sort of choice as to where he plays.

      Also, it is obviously beneficial for the NBA to have players like KD stay in OKC, because it keeps them relevant and keeps the fans coming to their games. However, I don’t see the interest for the agent. Major Markets like LA, NY and CHI for example offer so much more in terms of marketing, promotion,off the court deals, etc., therefore it would seem to be more beneficial to the agent if the player would attempt to leave for one of those larger markets. Players in all sports routinely leave smaller cities in search of the spotlight and possibilities in the bigger cities. A player like Durant more than likely chose to stay in OKC because it fit his personality and what he wanted, and Dwight Howard faced a similar choice. Houston can have all the perks it wants, one of the best being no state income tax, but they don’t match the endless possibilities that are offered for living in LA and being a Laker, both during and post-career. Dwight left over $15 million guaranteed on the table in contract money alone by signing with Houston over LA, and that is after you take into account the money he saved by not paying state taxes. That decision has nothing to do with the agent.

  • robbybonfire23

    Maybe we can agree that “loyalty” and sentiment ranks extremely low, and possibly does factor in as a “tie-breaker,” with the players, BUT it does not factor in with their agents, of whom, it can be generally said, qualify as “sub-human” parasites, where their business dealings are concerned.

    On the other hand, the rationale for “disloyalty,” and jumping to another team and market to take the more opulent deal, is often the “I need to do this for my family” knee-jerk statement. In other words, loyalty that does not cost money and perks can fly, but loyalty is out the window when it comes with a price. In fact, Free Agency was created to facilitate the “bonanza” of disloyalty without disgrace.

    • Kevin

      Agents clearly have their own agenda. Their goal is simply to make the most off of their client while keeping them as happy as possible, which in turn attracts more clients and earns more money. They would prefer their clients to play in certain places I’m sure but overall could care less as long as they are happy because it keeps the money coming in.That is why they will listen to their clients however, because if not they won’t be representing anyone.

      • robbybonfire23

        Great theory, now sell it to J.D. Drew and his agent and good luck with that.

  • robbybonfire23

    Well, it says here that agents are so loud-mouthed, they don’t listen to their clients (who are, in reality, their chattels, to express it better), and they certainly don’t listen to GM’s they dicker with – they dictate the terms or the client “holds out”, like that idiot J.D. Drew, for an entire year.

    So we disagree there, as to how “reasonable” agents are. Maybe your State Farm agent “listens to you,” while he is leading you around by the nose, too. It’s all posturing, to be blunt about it, and you’re the one bending over.